originally made to PWN a non denominational protestant who was moralfagging about me taking an interest in getting a Lady of Lourdes statue, now i'm going to turn it into something less obnoxious. Please ask a local Catholic priest you have any real theological questions, they have the knowledge for your questions while I'm a retard writing on my couch. But if you want to contact me for something relating to my writing (in good faith of course), feel free to contact me, thanks.
Authority Sacraments Salvation Church Mary & the Saints
A Protestant is a Christian who belongs to any of the Western branches of Christianity that broke away from the
Roman
Catholic Church during the Reformation in the 16th century. This includes denominations like Lutheran, Baptist,
Presbyterian, Methodist, and many others.
In simple terms: If you're a Christian but not Roman Catholic or Eastern Orthodox, then you're generally
considered Protestant!
What sets Protestants apart from Catholics and Eastern Orthodox Christians is their rejection of centralized
human
authority (like the Pope or a single hierarchical tradition) and their core emphasis on:
Before the Catholic Bible was officially confirmed at the Council of Trent in 1546, the Church already recognized
most of its books as Scripture. Yet Martin Luther disputed several of those books and wrote a number of opinion
pieces about Christian teaching, the Church, and related matters.
Luther sent his theses to his direct superior,
Archbishop Albrecht, and Pope Leo X tasked theologians with examining Luther’s arguments, not merely to refute
him
but to see which of his points might have merit. The Church objected to only 41 of the 95 theses and asked
Luther to
recant the writings that were wrong; when he refused, he was excommunicated. For the rest, the Church effected
change in line with the parts of
Luther’s Theses that were accurate.
Luther’s 1517 challenge to papal authority and Catholic doctrine helped spark the Reformation, a movement that
eventually led to the creation of more than 30,000 Christian denominations, many breaking away not only from the
Catholic Church but also from one another over even small differences in interpreting theology.
Catholicism still practices indulgences, obtained through specific pious acts like prayer, confession,
Communion,
and good works, offering a lessening of temporary punishment for sins already forgiven, not salvation itself.
This started a schism and different branches (30,000 different denominations) were organized.
Catholics have 7 sacraments, Protestants have 2 sacraments. Even the "closest to Catholicism" Lutheran Protestants
Catholics and Protestants do worship the same God. We have the same books, mostly same fundamental beliefs, but we differ significantly on doctrines and practices. When I was considering Orthodoxy, Catholicism, or staying Protestant was:
I knew that the filioque was true, and the immaculate conception isn't a protestant belief but when I read
Exodus 40:35, Moses could not enter the tent of meeting (tabernacle) because the cloud of God’s glory rested on
it
and
filled the interior. Jesus Christ is considered the supreme revelation and
embodiment of the glory of God. Mary physically could not have Jesus if she was sinful. She was Graced for God's
plan.
Protestants reject veneration to Mary, confusing it as worship.
| Latria | God alone | Full worship and adoration — reserved for the Holy Trinity |
| Dulia | Saints and angels | Honor and respect — veneration, not worship |
| Hyperdulia | Mary (Mother of God) | Highest honor of any created being, but still not worship |
Saints show that ordinary humans can follow the narrow path to heaven and imitate Jesus. We can’t all relate to Jesus’ perfect life, but Saints show that imperfect humans can still live faithfully.
| Saint Peter | Denied Jesus 3 times | Restored as leader of the apostles | Matthew 26:69–75; John 21:15–19 |
| Saint Paul (Saul of Tarsus) | Persecuted Christians / Murderer | Called as Apostle to the Gentiles | Acts 9:1–19 |
| Saint Matthew (Levi) | Tax collector (greedy oppressor) | Became apostle and evangelist | Matthew 9:9–13 |
| Saint Augustine of Hippo | Immoral lifestyle, theft, paganism | Converted, became Doctor of the Church | Confessions (Book I–IX) |
| Saint Moses the Black | Robber, violent past | Converted, became desert monk and martyr | Church tradition / Desert Fathers |
| Saint Dismas (the Good Thief) | Criminal / thief | Saved by faith on the cross | Luke 23:39–43 |
| Saint Mary of Egypt | Prostitute, sinful life | Repented, lived as hermit in the desert | Church tradition / Life of Saints |
| Saint Francis of Assisi | Worldly life, vanity, indulgence | Radical conversion, founded Franciscan Order | Fioretti / Church biographies |
| Saint Monica | Lived with pagan husband, early struggles | Persistent prayer, converted her son Augustine | Confessions / Church tradition |
Personal favorite saints you should totally look into:
Bernadette Soubirous
Clare of Assisi
Olga of Kyiv
Luke 1:28 – Angel greets Mary: “Hail, full of grace”
Revelation 5:8 – Saints intercede with prayers like incense before God
Revelation 8:3–4 – Example of saints’ prayers rising to God
Hebrews 12:1 – Saints as a cloud of witnesses inspiring the faithful
2 Maccabees 12:44–46 – Prayers for the dead for atonement of sins
1 Corinthians 3:15 – Some will be saved, yet so as through fire (purification)
TO DO/ADD/EDIT:
By saying that both protestants and catholics believe in the same theology dismisses generations of theological development and nuance, and makes you sound dangerously misinformed (aka like a fat retard). This will lead me into the argument, “your issue with Calvinism is (double) predestination, but catholics believe in predestination! Augustinian!! AUGUSTINIAN!!!” as if they aren’t almost entirely different theologies (because of the schism). I really don’t know why this faggot brought up double predestination (you’re just meant to go to hell, sorry kid) when it’s different from predestination (some people just go to heaven, Jesus wants nobody in hell). I felt like this is common sense.